Pfizer Genotropin blood test results

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  • #2457

    PhilipP
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    So well hi everyone. I have already made a thread about the blood test I had with hygetropin so here I decided to make a thread about Genotropin which supposedly should be better (it is much more expensive) and therefore I think that many people should be interested in it. initially I have been concerned with the legitimacy of my source as I have now purchased the Genotropin pen from Turkey but seemingly everything is alright. It is Pfizer Genotropin and is legit.
    As I have said in my previous thread with hygetropin, you can check it up here and find the thread, I had tested the hygetropin with a 10 iu shot and a 3 hours later after I had the injection and so, my GH levels had come back at 29 ng per ml.
    Well, I couldn’t afford to inject the same amount with Genotropin because as I said, Genotropin is much more pricey than hygetropin and so with Genotropin I have only injected 6 iu and I tried to get my bloods drawn approximately the same amount of time I had with hygetropin and so I had them drawn 10 minutes earlier compared to hygetropin after 2:50 hours after the injection and the results came back being 19 ng per ml.
    The first thing that I thought and I say here is that I’m very happy that my Genotropin is legit (that’s why I said that it is legit earlier). And the second comment here for you guys… I’m honestly amazed to see the dosing accuracy of both HGH brands, 10 IU is exactly to 29 ng/ ml what 6 IU is it to 19 ng/ ml.
    My conclusion: they are both pretty much the same in strength/ potency. Simple calculations 29/10 = 2.9 for hygetropin and 19/ 6 = 3.16 for genotropin. As you can see the difference is near to 0 but the price difference is big. Hopefully this is going to be helpful for you guys.

    #2458

    Therage
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    WOW, awesome review and awesome threads which I am really thankful for. I appreciate taking your time, doing these experiments and writing it all up here. I just have one question for ya: have you got both of them from Turkey? And I’m also glad that you ended up with them being legit.

    #2459

    GrayJ
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    Umm, thanks a lot but do you care to share your source? Please? I can think of at least 5 various sources and each one of them are shipping from Turkey and I did have ordered those geno pens myself from 3 different of them so far. And well, so far they all have checked out on that ITS app, however I personally have not gotten around to running and testing them so far.

    #2460

    PhilipP
    Participant

    Glad you loved my thread guys. In response to both of you in regards of the sources:
    The genotropin I have purchased from tiromel net while hygetropin has been purchased from hygetropin cn. If this helps…

    #2461

    Kerman
    Participant

    OP you know… GH serum levels do not determine whether or not the bioactive GH is being present to raise serum IGF levels. You can check online and search for the mighty mouses, there’s a thread like that somewhere in lab testing discussion as most recent example of this… I think that it has been pcom’s GH.
    The Serum GH level results came back showing very good numbers while the IGF levels came back showing a complete garbage result. In addition to that, there have been one more done not so long ago as well where the GH levels came back in the 70s or something crazy.

    #2462

    PhilipP
    Participant

    Oh well, you can check my other thread I wrote about Hygetropin when I blood tested it and you are going to see there that the IGF 1 has been equally elevated as the result of a week worth of injections with it.
    While I have tested the Genotropin, the levels of IGF 1 have been only a little bit more elevated as it has been only the second pin with it… this is why I just can say that I am clueless right now whether or not it is going to follow the exact same pattern or it’s going to show something differently.
    So well, I just want to ask you something just to understand your point of what you try to say: as much as I could understand from your post – the other substances than GH are able to cause an elevated serum GH on the blood tests? I’ve got it right? Or maybe you are trying to tell us that an elevated GH serum levels is not necessarily be converted into the IGF 1 by the body?
    Please explain…. If the latter, that is then a factor outside of the GH quality.

    #2463

    GrayJ
    Participant

    Well, to be honest, I am thinking that both of those statements (or questions) you asked up there can be true. this being the exact reason as why we have been all trying to get away from using the GH serum tests and we’ve been focusing on IGF tests in order to determine the product validity and (or) the quality of that specific product.

    #2464

    Kerman
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    oh well, what has been said here except more so that other substances are able to cause spikes in the GH serum level so you don’t get an accurate result.

    Well, to be honest, I am thinking that both of those statements (or questions) you asked up there can be true. this being the exact reason as why we have been all trying to get away from using the GH serum tests and we’ve been focusing on IGF tests in order to determine the product validity and (or) the quality of that specific product.

    #2465

    MikeAdams
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    So, I only wanted to add here more speculation to the validity of the generics. I do know very well that there are some really big amounts of fake hygetropin. At one point in time it has been one of the first real and good Chinese manufacturers of HGH but the problem was that this has as a result an enormous wave of counterfeiting products of hygetropin. It is really very hard and most importantly it requires lots of money in order to create counterfeit molds for the pharmaceutical pens that are being used in Epipens and Genotropin and it is made stateside. This is just one more reason why it is still the best idea to purchase only here domestically and that’s even if it’s being packaged for the Turkish consumers and is being sent back here from there so you have a false impression that you buy ‘domestic products’ and often for a cheaper price.
    Anyone here knows where Humatrope and Gentropin can be found for like 3 or 4 USD per IU?

    #2466

    Fallsocring
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    Well… I personally have been on those ‘so called’ Geno pens that were available on Far Eastern Trade websites and I thought that it was a good idea to get those geno pens thinking they are going to do miracles. They have been available in thousands of units at a time to absolutely any buyer with the readies… now it is clear for me that it is counterfeit and it is obvious for anyone who has a bit of experience. Sadly it wasn’t so clear for me back then.
    Also, I’m a bit concerned about this part you wrote:

    Anyone here knows where Humatrope and Gentropin can be found for like 3 or 4 USD per IU?

    3 dollars for an IU, that, to be honest, would also start to ring alarm bells, at least for me… I’m not trying to say that this is something impossible however what I think that it is most likely – unlikely 😀
    The fake humatrope pens from scammers brutalpharma have been approximately 200 or so bucks (maybe even a bit more) for 72 iu. I remember very well that people with knowledge and experience about this have been warning and advising to pay big caution at that price on different sites. I’ve already been burnt and so I took their advices… however there were other people who still believed in the tooth fairy and magical prices and so, after a while they came back reporting it was a scam, which was expectable. The point being that when it seems too good to be true then most likely (and in 99% of situations) it actually is. nobody has interests to make anybody happy except themselves.

    #2467

    PhilipP
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    Thanks for replying but wanted to ask you one more question in regards to that post:

    Oh well, what has been said here except more so that other substances are able to cause spikes in the GH serum level so you don’t get an accurate result.

    Could you, please, give a list of names of those other substances that you are talking about which yield to an increase in the serum GH blood values? Please?

    #2468

    Kerman
    Participant

    so well, peptides like for example CJC no dac for spikes, with Dac for lower constant. Both GHRH and GHRP. This is the reason why people are using them, however on the other hand, the results are a completely other story because of their possible inability to increase the systemic IGF level. So far, this is only my theory but it is being backed up by bloods and anecdotal evidence that I have seen enough throughout using and being a member of different boards and reading all over the web about these kind of stuff.

    #2469

    PhilipP
    Participant

    Wow, that’s really interesting and thanks for sharing. I am going to start researching a bit more about this myself and I’m gonna check what I can find. But I was thinking that they did result in systemic IGF 1, otherwise it would be quite useless to use them IMO… at very least, the MK 677 has shown to be good in increasing IGF in a really big, persisting and significant manner.

    #2470

    Kerman
    Participant

    Oh, my apologies, I misspoke a little bit there… I was a little bit tired and busy when I have typed that so I haven’t paid attention. What I wanted to say is… while they do increase GH serum levels, they are also lacking a little bit increasing the IGF levels. This just means that the correlation is being quite obvious that it’s not as strong as something like for example the HGH.

    #2471

    Fallsocring
    Participant

    Oh yeah, I do understand very well what you are trying to say by this:

    3 dollars for an IU, that, to be honest, would also start to ring alarm bells, at least for me… I’m not trying to say that this is something impossible however what I think that it is most likely – unlikely 😀

    I do get the idea that 3 bucks per IU would cause some alarm bells… at the current moment I purchase getting it for as much as $ 5 or so, at good prices I get it for 4.50 bucks, it would truly add some savings really fast. Whichever the case, what you are telling up there is doubtlessly true. also, if that’s not going to be a really big problem… could you message me what or who brutalpharma it is an acronym for? Please, I would really like to find out. I currently am using a source where the pens are from Turkey, however they are Lilly and Pfizer company made… but it is still clear that they are made in Turkey or at least for the Turkish market and his (or her) name has pharma in it.
    Having this mentioned, I would really like to find out if I may be at a risk or something… thank you in advance for everything, I appreciate very much everything you shared so far and hopefully I will get more information.

    #2472

    Fighad
    Participant

    im sorry but as much as I can see… i might be misunderstanding this statement you wrote there… in fact, the peptides are not increasing absolutely anything, however they just rather allow the body to release its own IGF 1 and GH but they don’t do increase anything themselves.
    This is everything I have gathered from that.
    So well, the use of the peptides (in case they are being administered properly and correctly, plus with a little bit of usage of the exogenous GH (minimal) it can make something like 4 to 6 ius equivalent to something that is around 18 to maybe even 24 ius. Having this said, this is the reason why all of us have tried peptides, am I right? I truly wish that he was still around…

    #2473

    Fallsocring
    Participant

    Hopefully this is going to be helpful and it would answer your questions that you wrote here;

    also, if that’s not going to be a really big problem… could you message me what or who brutalpharma it is an acronym for? Please, I would really like to find out. I currently am using a source where the pens are from Turkey, however they are Lilly and Pfizer company made… but it is still clear that they are made in Turkey or at least for the Turkish market and his (or her) name has pharma in it.

    In fact, the brutalpharma has been the name of the source and it was not acronyms. They have been operating on eroids and elsewhere with some extremely low prices and also ‘freebies’ with orders until nearly everybody who ever heard of them realized and found out that most of the products that they are selling are counterfeit/ fake/ garbage/ bunk etc.
    Some good Turkish sources around that is having some legit products. just some other reason why Turkish Gh is being cheaper it is due to the fact that companies like for example Lilly and Pfizer and so on and so forth are adjusting their wholesale prices depending on the country they are selling their products in. and so, Turkey being a second world economy prices to Pharmacy and on to consumer – they are selling it there cheaper.
    Also if you are being interested, there is also an app that you can download if you want in order to scan the QR code on your Turkish packaging. It is not infallible, however I still think that this is better than nothing. In addition to that you can check if the product ID numbers are not duplicate which is also good. but anyway, there are still sources that are being trusted since they really sell good products.
    However I am still talking about 5 USD and more per IU though… as for good sources selling good products for 3 USD per IU I don’t know… also I wanted to say something more (wanted to ask to be more exact) in regards to this:

    So well, the use of the peptides (in case they are being administered properly and correctly, plus with a little bit of usage of the exogenous GH (minimal) it can make something like 4 to 6 ius equivalent to something that is around 18 to maybe even 24 ius. Having this said, this is the reason why all of us have tried peptides, am I right? I truly wish that he was still around…

    Don’t get this as an offense please but… do you have a study, or a link, or an article or whatever else that backs up your words in regards those numbers claiming that the peptides are able to amplify GH over fourfold? I would appreciate if you really have some and share here.

    #2474

    Fighad
    Participant

    Not sure if you have ever heard about datbtrue but if you did then you know what he was doing. and so, he did a lot of research specifically on the peptides. He has been advocating that using the peptides instead of exogenous GH is a better idea. He has been thinking and he always said that it has been better to use your own GH (and I agree with this), just needed to manipulate the pulses and also how long to keep them open.
    He has also done research on the timing when to administer doses as they related to training, to diet and to HGH use as well.
    A lot of people and entire forums have been following him. He had really good information and researches. In fact, I still nowadays find some forums that still have a lot of information I saw on his site. However, unfortunately and very sadly, a lot of the information that was on his website simply disappeared and didn’t get saved. For those who don’t know: he had a website but it went down suddenly an unexpectedly a year ago in 2016…

    #2475

    Fallsocring
    Participant

    Yes… thank you very and very much for your explanation I appreciate it a lot. And yeah, I do know about datbtrue. It has been an invite only website and I lurked there myself from time to time. and I also do agree with you – it is a big unfortunate that the site went down, an incredible resource has been lost when that amazing website has went down. however I must tell you that from as much as I heard, the information wipe has been deliberate by the site owner himself… I am not sure how credible this information is but that’s what I heard. In addition to that I heard that he has gotten seriously ill which is why he has done that. but then again I am not sure if that’s true or not.
    Well, I’ve just been discussing just a little while ago with one of the more knowledged people on a UK site about peptides. As much as he has told me – he is using them extensively and he also uses them alongside with the GH. however I personally have never heard of those type of numbers to be honest… I was just thinking that there was some kind of a physiological ceiling to the amount of the GH the pituitary could produce and that’s even with the use of the peptides? Not very sure but as much as I think it is approximately a 3.3 IU on a 3 X per day peptides injection protocol. But then again I am not really sure. But you should know that all of this is only from memory and there is a chance that I could be completely wrong on this one and that’s why, please do not take this as gospel. My memory could serve me wrong and I don’t want to say that this is with certitude.
    But it would be truly awesome if you would be able to find absolutely any reference to that information.

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